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ardeay Member	posted January 30, 2013 07:59 PM Do you think we will see a reprint of these badies? Based on what woc did with shocks, seems like they will reprint in the next set, which also brings them into modern, which having only zen lands doesnt make much sense? thoughts? __________________ Type and hit enter for quick TCG prices: www.echomage.com [Edited 1 times, lastly by ardeay on January 30, 2013]
Zeckk Member	posted January 30, 2013 08:21 PM General consensus is that they will get reprinted in the future, but not likely until shocklands are out of standard.
ardeay Member	posted January 30, 2013 08:34 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: General consensus is that they will get reprinted in the future, but not likely until shocklands are out of standard. Good point __________________ Type and hit enter for quick TCG prices: www.echomage.com
Goaswerfraiejen Member	posted January 31, 2013 11:46 AM Seems likely we'll see them again in a functionally similar form, especially since they finally printed enemy fetches. It would also make sense if they're planning to support Modern for the long-term. The trick, as the others said, lies in the timing. __________________ "I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think they will sing to me." -T.S. Eliot RIP Ari Legacy UGB River Rock primer. PM comments/questions. Info on grad school in Phil.
coasterdude84 Member	posted January 31, 2013 07:01 PM On the flip side, I'm hoping we get Judge foil versions of the Zen ones, only with the old border.
mm1983 Member	posted February 01, 2013 03:52 AM quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: On the flip side, I'm hoping we get Judge foil versions of the Zen ones, only with the old border. I would like to see this. I think that would happen before reprints of the old ones since the old ones already have Judge promos as well.
Zeckk Member	posted February 01, 2013 01:44 PM quote: Originally posted by mm1983: I would like to see this. I think that would happen before reprints of the old ones since the old ones already have Judge promos as well. I actually don't think so. The original ONS judge foils were back before EDH really took off, and nowadays most of the judge foils are geared towards being an EDH staple. Not saying it's impossible, but not likely either.
jaromirjagr Member	posted February 01, 2013 02:04 PM In my opinion I really doubt it.I dont see wizards reprinting 40-50 dollar cards.I mean how often do you see that?These are meant to fetch dual lands and shocklands and I dont see them getting reprinted again after they rotate.I dont know,Ive never seen wotc reprint big money cards.If polluted delta and flooded strand are reprined everyone will go ape s$&t over the set. __________________ #1 in refs in B.C.,Canada #3 in Canada Top 30 in refs on motl email-kenthomson@shaw.ca
skizzikmonger Member	posted February 01, 2013 02:51 PM quote: Originally posted by jaromirjagr: In my opinion I really doubt it.I dont see wizards reprinting 40-50 dollar cards.I mean how often do you see that?These are meant to fetch dual lands and shocklands and I dont see them getting reprinted again after they rotate.I dont know,Ive never seen wotc reprint big money cards.If polluted delta and flooded strand are reprined everyone will go ape s$&t over the set. Tarmogoyf* says hi *and the other high dollar cards Wizards reprints in MM
Zeckk Member	posted February 01, 2013 07:47 PM quote: Originally posted by jaromirjagr: In my opinion I really doubt it.I dont see wizards reprinting 40-50 dollar cards.I mean how often do you see that?These are meant to fetch dual lands and shocklands and I dont see them getting reprinted again after they rotate.I dont know,Ive never seen wotc reprint big money cards.If polluted delta and flooded strand are reprined everyone will go ape s$&t over the set. Kind of like how everyone went crazy over shockland reprints.... There isn't some magical dollar value that dictates whether a card is reprinted or not. If moat and the abyss weren't on the reserve list, you bet your butt WotC would have reprinted those cards in some fashion. Honestly, I want to see moat or the abyss become a judge foil, since those are still possible through the reserve policy.
jaromirjagr Member	posted February 01, 2013 08:01 PM Modern masters looks nice.Will definetly buy it if it isnt already sold out at release.Besides duel decks and boxed sets when has wizards reprintd a card over $20that was playable and standard legal?Crucible of worlds was reprined in tenth and thats a $20 card.Shocklands were maybe a little over $20 before being reprinted.I dont think there is a dollar value but it seems to be a trend that money cards dont see standard play again.Shocklands werent that big.Nothing seems impossible these days as they print commander decks and modern masters,stuff we havent seen before.But moat or big stuff being reprinted in a standard legal set,I think is impossible. [Edited 1 times, lastly by jaromirjagr on February 01, 2013]
mm1983 Member	posted February 01, 2013 08:15 PM quote: Originally posted by jaromirjagr: Shocklands were maybe a little over $20 before being reprinted. I was actually getting upwards of $30 each on Breeding Pools and Hallowed Fountains around last year at this time before any word of them being reprinted. Other than that I don't think any of the others were ever higher than $22 with most being $15-18 at that time.
TimeBeing Member	posted February 01, 2013 08:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: I actually don't think so. The original ONS judge foils were back before EDH really took off, and nowadays most of the judge foils are geared towards being an EDH staple. Not saying it's impossible, but not likely either. All my EDH decks have fetches in them. And they tend to split judge foils; half EDH, half legacy/value cards. See Karkas and Noble Hierarch. [Edited 2 times, lastly by TimeBeing on February 01, 2013]
nylarotep Member	posted February 02, 2013 07:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Honestly, I want to see moat or the abyss become a judge foil, since those are still possible through the reserve policy. WotC closed this loophole some time ago.
revenger Member	posted February 02, 2013 12:07 PM quote: Originally posted by nylarotep: WotC closed this loophole some time ago. I'm waiting for we on the crack to absolve the reserve list, save for a select few (here,s looking at you Power Nine, mana drain). Then they can do reprints however they want. __________________ Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award! 33rd in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested.
Bugger Member	posted February 02, 2013 12:27 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: I'm waiting for we on the crack to absolve the reserve list, save for a select few (here,s looking at you Power Nine, mana drain). Then they can do reprints however they want. For the millionth time, they won't, because legally they can't. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
skizzikmonger Member	posted February 02, 2013 03:06 PM quote: Originally posted by Bugger: For the millionth time, they won't, because legally they can't. And that legal reason is......?
Link139232 Member	posted February 02, 2013 03:12 PM Lol, they own the company, they can do whatever they want. My guess is that Onslaught fetches will see reprint in M14.
SolonJhee Member	posted February 02, 2013 03:14 PM They can do whatever the hell they want with their card game. Now that doesn't mean they will actually do it. Yeah you'll **** off XXXXXX players and some of them will think they can actually sue and win, but that doesn't mean that Wizards 'cant' do it.
Lord Crovax Member	posted February 02, 2013 03:21 PM If WoTC does do anything to the reserved list they WILL lose money, this is fact. Thus they won't, even if they can. EDIT: For the record I'm for them changing it just know they wont. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax" [Edited 1 times, lastly by Lord Crovax on February 02, 2013]
skizzikmonger Member	posted February 02, 2013 03:52 PM quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: If WoTC does do anything to the reserved list they WILL lose money, this is fact. How would they lose money by reprinting duals, FoW, etc?
stu55 Member	posted February 02, 2013 05:54 PM If they do small controlled bursts of reserved list cards,, in different borders than they are now, I am willing to bet that is better in the long run then just letting Legacy die in paper.
Bugger Member	posted February 02, 2013 06:00 PM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: And that legal reason is......? They are not legally allowed to even discuss the terms, unfortunately. All they're allowed to say is that they can't break the reserved list. It continuously astounds me how oblivious some magic players can be about this, though. You'd think people so concerned with reprints would pay attention to the legal status of what wotc can and can't do. This is old news, a couple years ago at least I believe. It's one of the reasons they made modern, I'm pretty sure - so they'd have an eternal format that they could, if the situation called for it, reprint anything in it. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
Pail42 Member	posted February 02, 2013 07:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Bugger: They are not legally allowed to even discuss the terms, unfortunately. All they're allowed to say is that they can't break the reserved list. It continuously astounds me how oblivious some magic players can be about this, though. You'd think people so concerned with reprints would pay attention to the legal status of what wotc can and can't do. Link please. To my knowledge and googling ability nobody has EVER taken legal action against wotc regarding the reserve list.
coasterdude84 Member	posted February 02, 2013 07:56 PM per Wizards, with a few key points highlighted: quote: Originally posted by WotC: Reserved Cards The complete list of reserved cards appears at the end of this document. Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness. No cards will be added to the reserved list in the future. No cards from the Mercadian Masques set and later sets will be reserved. In consideration of past commitments, however, no cards will be removed from this list. The exclusion of any particular card from the reserved list doesn't indicate that there are any plans to reprint that card. Non-English Cards The reprint policy applies to both English and non-English cards. Virtual Cards This reprint policy only applies to physical, printed cards. It does not apply to cards released on Magic: The Gathering Online or in any other digital distribution. Tournament Legality All policies described in this document apply only to tournament-legal Magic cards. Premium Cards A previous version of this policy allowed premium versions of cards on the reserved list to be printed. Starting in 2011, no cards on the reserved list will be printed in either premium or non-premium form. Special-Purpose Reprints Wizards of the Coast may print special versions of cards not meant for regular game play, such as oversized cards. First, I'd like to point out the "functional reprint" bit. So before anyone starts any "snow-duals" crap... As Bugger said, we don't know exactly of what those "past commitments" consist. Based on NDAs and exclusivity contracts I sometimes get sucked into, there's probably an agreement in place between Wizards and any number of collectors/vendors where cards can't be reprinted unless certain market conditions are met. I have no idea what those may be, probably where no one gives a crap about the game anymore and cards are worthless anyway. In other words, if it's on that list and you still care, you ain't getting it. That said, this thread is about Onslaught fetches, which are very much not on the reserve list. I would not be surprised to see them again for the sake of Modern, but as someone mentioned before, probably not until the Shocks rotate out of Standard. And I still want an old frame foil Catacombs. __________________ Everything I said is true, except for the parts I made up.

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