Also, consider this, if the guy wants to keep 3 EDH decks but doesn't want to spend more money on a card he already has, such as Sol Ring, it makes sense.

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Originally posted by keywacat:
What do you lot think of people using proxies in Commander / EDH? I'm not asking about fake cards as in a vintage tournament, I'm asking about someone printing out images of cards they own at least one copy of because they're too lazy to transfer cards between decks.

Cheers for the discussion.

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It took me an annoyingly long time to find anybody with a Tawnos' Coffin for my Sharuum EDH deck, so for a while there, I had a proxy for it.

I think if the reason you have a proxy is "This is a vital card for the deck to do what it does, I just haven't got one yet" it's totally fine.

But if it's "I want to proxy a bunch of utility cards that are just powerful and expensive because I'm too cheap to buy them" then you shouldn't.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
Sometimes you have the entire idea for a deck done, but you haven't managed to trade/buy/acquire all the cards you need for the deck and still want to play with it.

It took me an annoyingly long time to find anybody with a Tawnos' Coffin for my Sharuum EDH deck, so for a while there, I had a proxy for it.

I think if the reason you have a proxy is "This is a vital card for the deck to do what it does, I just haven't got one yet" it's totally fine.

But if it's "I want to proxy a bunch of utility cards that are just powerful and expensive because I'm too cheap to buy them" then you shouldn't.

The above example of the guy proxying mana drain and force of will is definitely the second 'not okay' case.

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Again its not 'proxying' (counterfeiting) cards the guy doesn't own, its proxying cards that he owns at least one copy of and wants 'placeholders' in decks.

I did the same thing 10 years ago when I had a Library of Alexandria, made about 6 copies of the actual card I owned because I wanted to play it in every deck (its a Library of Alexandria, who wouldn't want one in every deck?) yet didn't want to constantly search it out and shuffle it in when switching decks.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I don't have a problem playing proxies with my friends, but it really annoys me when I'm playing a stranger who is using proxies.

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Even they are proxies of cards he owns, and can prove, on the spot, that he owns at least one copy of?

Sorry to keep on about this but I'm trying to look at my own feelings in the matter. Why should I / do I feel so strongly that every card should be the officially released version? (besides the obvious financial / legal issues surrounding WotC trademarks. Please leave that for another discussion)

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Originally posted by keywacat:
Again its not 'proxying' (counterfeiting) cards the guy doesn't own, its proxying cards that he owns at least one copy of and wants 'placeholders' in decks.

I did the same thing 10 years ago when I had a Library of Alexandria, made about 6 copies of the actual card I owned because I wanted to play it in every deck (its a Library of Alexandria, who wouldn't want one in every deck?) yet didn't want to constantly search it out and shuffle it in when switching decks.

I agree that 'proxying things you don't own a single copy of is beyond the pale.

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I guess it depends on whether the plan is to actually -soon- get more copies of the card. If it is something very rare/expensive like a library or a time walk or whatever, I feel you should either suck it up and switch the card around, or decide which deck could use it best.

The general powerlevel of all my EDH decks could be increased if I was proxying cards I already own only one of, heaven knows a full suite of original and shock duals in every deck would be better than what I have. But part of the thing about owning a bunch of EDH decks is the ability of you and your friends to just grab a deck and play, both casually AND competitively.

Does it legitimately bother you to play against a proxy card?

My answer is no, but I suppose it's an opinion.
That said, if you and your pals all get together for a big 'ol hootin' game of EDH, is your night really sullied by Archie's fake Sol Ring? Really?

What is boils down to for me is why are their proxies in the deck. Just because you can't afford a card isn't a good enough reason. If you want to try the card out, that's cool just let me know beforehand.

Personal experience with this. I play casual and was making a mill deck that had a lot of $$$ under the hood (for a casual deck). After assembling some of the pieces the price was just too much. I ended up exchanging 4x intuition for 4x Gifts ungiven. I managed to cut a nice sized expense off the deck, but didn't have to really change the deck around much.

I also don't care if someone proxies stuff they don't own. I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch because OMG he's proxying a bunch of expensive cards. Who cares, really.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Isn't this really a discussion for your playgroup? I don't think the locals here would really give a crap about what some guys online think is right, it's what we as a group decide to allow.

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It is, but I wanted to see what the MOTL community came up with, get a wider feel if you will. Our group isn't terribly static and I thought an unscientific poll would help predict how new members may look at the idea.