Total number of stores
LGS: 1000
Retail stores: 10,000
Major Game Shops: 10

Avg. number of boxes purchased per set
LGS: 18
Retail: 4 (in blisters)
Major Game Shops: 1000

18,000 + 40,000 + 10,000 = 68,000 boxes

68000 * 36 * 15 = 36,720,000 cards printed of every set

From there we can use odds and raritys to find individual numbers for each card.

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Originally posted by ardeay:
I want to attempt to guess the number of cards printed for each set. Below is my attempt, the totals are guesstimates. I'd love your feedback or ideas.

Total number of stores
LGS: 1000
Retail stores: 10,000
Major Game Shops: 10

Avg. number of boxes purchased per set
LGS: 18
Retail: 4 (in blisters)
Major Game Shops: 1000

18,000 + 40,000 + 10,000 = 68,000 boxes

68000 * 36 * 15 = 36,720,000 cards printed of every set

From there we can use odds and raritys to find individual numbers for each card.

What do you think of that logic, be honest thanks

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Originally posted by psyduck_dude12:
This is actually easier to reverse engineer. Take wizards revenue (estimates) divide the number of the sets and calc out what they sell a box for to find out the general orbit run size

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Wizards as a division of Hasbro is reported on its financial as a part of its Games Division, with a revenue of 1,300,000,000 in 2013. Other brands in its game division include Monopoly and Star Wars. Filtering out to which piece of that is Wizards is quite difficult.

Once you do, you have to figure out what piece of the revenue is MTGO and which piece is paper. It's hard to determine what portion of the total revenue is attributed to paper magic.

Then we don't know what piece of that dollar amount is attributable to the standard-legal prints as opposed to Duel Decks, Masters sets, etc.

$1,300,000,000 Revenue for Games Division 2013
$780,000,000 Assuming 60% of Revenue is Wizards
$460,000,000 Assuming 60% of Wizards Revenue is Paper Magic
$280,000,000 Assuming 60% of Paper Revenue is Standard Sets
$70,000,000 Assuming 4 Sets a Year

I'm not sure what Wizards charges its distributors per box, but it's gotta be around 60-70?

1,000,000 boxes of each set.

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Originally posted by thror:
pretty sure boxes leave wotc hands for less than 70, considering i can buy boxes for 80-90 when they first come out. would expect 45-55 personally.

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Assuming any of the other numbers are even remotely reasonable, that puts it at about 1.5 million boxes of each set printed globally.

800M total cards
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6M mythics
48M rares
750M Common/Uncommon cards

For RTR, as an example
-53 unique rares (900,000 of each rare printed)
-15 unique mythics (400,000 of each mythic printed)

That would mean that there are about 200,000 playsets of each shockland from RTR printings floating around.

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
This is beyond pointless, unless someone somehow has some actual real data to base this off of otherwise this is just a bunch of wild and completely useless guessing.

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I haven't found MTG specific numbers (I'm searching on my phone), but these are real.

Even if we come up with a ball park number, we can estimate the market share of specific cards, then calculate what the secondary market is worth.

Say there is 900,000 breeding pools at $10

$9MM in breeding pools exist in the secondary market. Then breeding pool drops 3 bucks and millions of dollars shift in the seconday market.