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Ashnod'sPants
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posted August 16, 2012 09:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Ashnod'sPants Click Here to Email Ashnod'sPants Send a private message to Ashnod'sPants Click to send Ashnod'sPants an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hey all,

I need some wisdom on a card. I have what I think is an Unlimited German Volcanic Island. I've compared it to my English revised Volcanics, and it's much darker. The people who have seen it all say it's unlimited.

Here's the issue: the date on the bottom says "1995". Unlimited cards in English say 1994. Is there a difference in the date because the card is foreign?

Anyone with expertise - help?

 
dwiz
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No such thing as unlimited foreign wb. It's FWB, they just have a little darker ink. Unlimited cards don't have copyright dates. Who are all the guys giving you this info? They have no internet?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by dwiz on August 16, 2012]
 
B14ckM4g3
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surefire way to tell the difference between unlimited and revised:

Check the border. You have your outer layer (black or white) and the inner layer before faceplate. There is a thin second border between these two.

In revised, there is a single line. In unlimited, there are two lines.

 
FleeceItOut
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quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
No such thing as unlimited foreign wb. It's FWB, they just have a little darker ink. Unlimited cards don't have copyright dates. Who are all the guys giving you this info? They have no internet?

this

 
caquaa
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quote:
Originally posted by Ashnod'sPants:
Here's the issue: the date on the bottom says "1995". Unlimited cards in English say 1994. Is there a difference in the date because the card is foreign?

Anyone with expertise - help?


you're very much mistaken. Firstly, as pointed out, unlimited was not printed in non-English languages. Beyond that, Unlimited cards do not have 1994 printed on them.

 
TimeBeing
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posted August 17, 2012 02:11 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for TimeBeing Click Here to Email TimeBeing Send a private message to TimeBeing Click to send TimeBeing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
surefire way to tell the difference between unlimited and revised:

unlimited is ENGLISH ONLY


FTFY

 
guruswamp
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posted August 17, 2012 04:01 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for guruswamp Click Here to Email guruswamp Send a private message to guruswamp Click to send guruswamp an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
anyone who cant tell the difference between unlim and revised should be shot......looking for extra lines and crap.....the differences are blatantly obvious

and on duals? come on......is there a tap symbol or does it say tap

 
Vegas10
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FWB comes in only FWB, Unlimited is english only, revised english has the 1994 date on it, unlimited doesn't. FWB editions were there own print run seperate from both english unlimited and english revised.
 
dwiz
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Did I just get my answer repeated 6 times? New record?
 
mnDiff
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posted August 17, 2012 12:03 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for mnDiff Click Here to Email mnDiff Send a private message to mnDiff Click to send mnDiff an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
wrong answer 7 times then ................ lol

the reason might be... its in Italian and not german...

I just checked my few Italian Revised FWB duals and the ALL have a 1995 date ...

next interresting fact about them : Italian WHITE duals have the nowadays (or at the time probably 4th edition) plains symbol instead of their original Alpha,Beta,Unlimited,Revised FBB and Revised plains symbol ...

[Edited 3 times, lastly by mnDiff on August 18, 2012]

 
dwiz
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quote:
Originally posted by mnDiff:

and I always wondered if they would be really sought after as they are the only one like that .....

After 17 years of them being out, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no

 
tryst
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posted August 18, 2012 12:25 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for tryst Click Here to Email tryst Send a private message to tryst Click to send tryst an Instant MessageVisit tryst's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
Did I just get my answer repeated 6 times? New record?

Actually, your answer is not completely correct.
This is probably why there is so much confusion.

This is correct: "Unlimited cards don't have copyright dates".
The cards from the 1993 core set printing are indeed Unlimited and say so on the booster pack.
Another poster correctly points out that this version is English only.

This is, however, incorrect: "No such thing as unlimited foreign wb".
Look at this link:
http://www.dacardworld.com/gaming/magic-the-gathering-german-unlimited-booster-pack

It's in German, but the translation is not that hard:
Unlimitierte Auflage --> Unlimited Edition
Booster Packung --> Booster Pack

So, how can the above two seemingly exclusive assertions be resolved?
Wizards began translating cards into other languages in 1994, too late for the Unlimited edition.
But they translated the Revised core set into Italian, French and German.
The correct name for these versions are printed on the booster packs:
Edizione Italiana
Edition Limitee
Limitierte Auflage
These are commonly known as Foreign Black Border (FBB), Foreign Beta, etc. Close, but not totally correct.
For French and German, at least, the correct name is French Limited and German Limited.


Then, in 1995, Wizards was getting swamped with versions and released two core sets in Italian, French and German back-to-back.
Revised was translated again into the 3 languages and released as (see above for proof):
Seconda Edizione
Tirage Non Limite
Unlimitierte Auflage
These are commonly known as Foreign White Border (FWB). Close, but not completely correct.
For French and German, at least, the correct name is French Unlimited and German Unlimited.

The second set in 1995? Fourth edition was translated into Italian, French, German and 5 other languages.
The first 3 were released in white border, the last 5 in black border.
There were no duals in this set.

So, to answer the OP correctly, here's how you should have replied:

If the German Volcanic Island is black-bordered and copyright 1994, it is German Limited.
If the German Volcanic Island is white-bordered and copyright 1995, it is German Unlimited.


Hope this helps,
tryst

[Edited 1 times, lastly by tryst on August 18, 2012]

 
rats60
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quote:
Originally posted by tryst:
Actually, your answer is not completely correct.

So, to answer the OP correctly, here's how you should have replied:

If the German Volcanic Island is black-bordered and copyright 1994, it is German Limited.
If the German Volcanic Island is white-bordered and copyright 1995, it is German Unlimited.


Hope this helps,
tryst


And you are wrong. Unlimited is an actual Magic set just like Avacyn Restored or M13. Unlimited was a reprint of Alpha/Beta in white bordered cards and contained 302 cards including Black Lotus, Ancestral, Time Walk, ect. It was printed in English only. There is NO German Unlimited. The first set printed in German was REVISED. There is a Limited Edition of German Revised and an Unlimited Edition of German Revised.

If you want to say the FWB dual is German Unlimited Revised or German Revised Unlimited Edition that would be correct. To say it is German Unlimited is not. The OPs question was Revised or Unlimited. The correct answer is Revised.

http://www.magiclibrarities.net/sets-unlimited-edition.html

http://www.magiclibrarities.net/sets-revised-edition.html

[Edited 2 times, lastly by rats60 on August 18, 2012]

 
Troels Christensen
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posted August 19, 2012 10:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Troels Christensen Click Here to Email Troels Christensen Send a private message to Troels Christensen Click to send Troels Christensen an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Vegas10:
FWB comes in only FWB, Unlimited is english only, revised english has the 1994 date on it, unlimited doesn't. FWB editions were there own print run seperate from both english unlimited and english revised.

Beware the 1994 date, this signifies Edgar/Summer. A lot more valuable than ordinary Revised.

 
Vegas10
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posted August 20, 2012 06:32 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Vegas10 Click Here to Email Vegas10 Send a private message to Vegas10 Click to send Vegas10 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Vegas10's Have/Want ListView Vegas10's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Troels Christensen:
Beware the 1994 date, this signifies Edgar/Summer. A lot more valuable than ordinary Revised.

Sorry your right about that, I meant to type english revised has no copywright date on it.

 
flophaus
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posted August 21, 2012 01:01 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for flophaus Click Here to Email flophaus Send a private message to flophaus Click to send flophaus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Dude... this is absurd!

Dwiz summed all this up in the first place...

 

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