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Topic: water damaged cards vs insurance/fail?
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MagixDK Member
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posted November 09, 2011 01:52 PM
Sooo i was goin to play legacy today... just prior to leaving I checked my deck, and much to my dismay, half the cards inside the deckbox where ruined by water.in a strange way too. i had 2 cards unsleeved, that i traded for just before goin home last time (alpha ley druid+some zombie) they were fine - only half the sleeved cards were ruined. i figure someone spilled water on my deck when i didnt look, after my last match - and didnt tell me. half of lands.dec flooded, in a bad way. So im thinking wtf will my insurance company say? My cards are all protected in case of theft, and in case of water damage -if like a pibe bursts. But this isnt one of those cases. What do you think, insurance covers it?
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TimeBeing Member
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posted November 09, 2011 03:22 PM
it should if they will cover it, i've asked specifically to any my insurance does not cover my magic cards or other collectibles.
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slurpee Member
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posted November 09, 2011 03:36 PM
not covered, You could try for vandalism as your best bet. Would require you to file a police report against someone and you would have a deductible as well. Then you could be surcharged for the claim. Good luck, but I can't see any company paying on this, but then again thats the US, not Denmark.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by slurpee on November 09, 2011]
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PortlisX Member
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posted November 09, 2011 04:10 PM
Pipe didn't burst. They weren't stolen. You have no chance at a successful claim.
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Irate Member
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posted November 09, 2011 04:34 PM
Portislix that pretty presumptuous without looking at the policy wording that covers these items. If you have accidental damage cover then yes the policy will respond and cover your claim, also if you have these cards covered as a specified item outside of the home this would be the case too. You can always 'fluff up' the circumstances behind the claim if you have but it's probably not a good idea. I can provide you some more advice if you provide the policy wording/ Prodcut disclosure statement that your cards are insured under. I do this for a living :-)
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davef139 Member
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posted November 09, 2011 06:44 PM
Do you have a seperate policy for the cards?
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XtReMeOnE3 Member
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posted November 09, 2011 07:24 PM
You'd have to think about what your deductible is and whether or not the cards are worth claiming. I think it would be kind of tough for the insurance company to cover the claim considering you have no idea how the cards got damaged.
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MagixDK Member
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posted November 09, 2011 10:14 PM
my deductable is cero, if the cards got stolen (happened once)my collection is mentioned in my insurance specifically - but cant find the darn paper, for quoting the wording. im not sure if i have "accidental damage) -this would cover stuff like someone scracthing my bicycle?
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Irate Member
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posted November 09, 2011 10:46 PM
Not really no, It would cover accidental loss or damage to any item classified as contents (i'm assuming your cards are listed under a domestic home and contents policy), superficial damage that doesn't really cause any loss of functionality or value wouldn't be insured (as there is no demonstrable loss per se). Then again it's hard for me to say without looking at the policy wording. You can always call your insurer and request another copy. However since your cards are specifically listed, I think you may have a chance of claiming.
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PortlisX Member
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posted November 10, 2011 12:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Irate: Portislix that pretty presumptuous without looking at the policy wording that covers these items. If you have accidental damage cover then yes the policy will respond and cover your claim, also if you have these cards covered as a specified item outside of the home this would be the case too. You can always 'fluff up' the circumstances behind the claim if you have but it's probably not a good idea. I can provide you some more advice if you provide the policy wording/ Prodcut disclosure statement that your cards are insured under. I do this for a living :-)
No, it's really not. Insurance companies don't run successfully by giving out free money without damned good proof of loss, and he doesn't even know how the damage occurred. He would have to have documented proof of owning these ahead of time (we're talking pictures and videos as well as documented lists), documented value prior to what happened, he'd have to know EXACTLY HOW the damage was caused, be able to demonstrate an actual tangible loss of value, and of course have had a policy specifically to cover these in the first place. Unless he has taken the initial steps of documentation, which is extremely unlikely, he's hosed right out of the gate. Beyond that, he'd be basically lying to his insurance company with any explanation other than "I don't know how the damage occurred". And if he doesn't even know how the damage happened, how are they going to know if it's covered? They aren't. It sounds like these were damaged outside of the house as well, which also makes them exempt from most homeowner policies (even if specifically listed). He would likely need some sort of traveling insurance policy for a collection taken and damaged outside the home. Again, he could lie to the insurance company about it and claim they were damage in the home, but I wouldn't exactly recommend taking that course of action. But I guess stuff in Denmark could work differently than here.
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MagixDK Member
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posted November 10, 2011 12:33 AM
Im pretty sure im screwed.but as far the the insurance company knowing i own the cards and the insurance covering me outside of my home, i think so. since when i lost a legacy goblin deck(stolen) they paid me without question. (this was like 2 yrs ago)
[Edited 1 times, lastly by MagixDK on November 10, 2011]
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Pringlesman Member
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posted November 10, 2011 02:25 AM
Just curious, what did you lose?
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MagixDK Member
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posted November 10, 2011 02:51 AM
3 snapcaster mages 2 mox diamond 1 the tabernacle at prendrell vale 1 show and tell 1 dark confidant 1 rishadan port 1 maze of ith 1 exploration 1 intuition 2 Emrakul+some more lands cards i cant remember (@work now)
[Edited 1 times, lastly by MagixDK on November 10, 2011]
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Heresy19 Member
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posted November 10, 2011 04:23 AM
Ask the store owner to show you the cameras until you see who spilled the water (it was prolly intentional if you ask me). Once you have him on video, tell him you have proof of the water spilling and that he will have to cover the damage or you will open a case against him.We're talking about +/- 500$ here, it's not something to let go. .02 Edit: If it wasn't intentional, think about it like a ''hit & run'' with cars. I'm pretty sure you can open a case for that when it's over a certain amount of $.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Heresy19 on November 10, 2011]
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Timmyhill Member
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posted November 10, 2011 04:36 AM
What I dont understand is how you let someone spill water on the deck... I know accidents happen... but you can lessen the chance. When I take my vintage deck out of the house. I put the deck box in a ziplock bag and then it goes into a plain card white card box. And the whole thing stays in my bag which is always on me even when I'm playing. Finally I wont play anyone till all liquids are put on the floor or finished. I even use this rule when playing standard. I guess I just dont know how some one can say they dont know what happened to thier deck specially when when they hit the $100+ mark.
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gcowhsu Member
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posted November 10, 2011 10:35 AM
I realize this is a game, but I took stock of my Team America deck and it's running $2000. You can't just leave that around you HAVE to keep it on you at all times. It just baffles me that people leave these things around to go to the bathroom or by a drink. Someone could easily just take a Goyf or Sea and you would never know until you took the deck apart. With the average value of Legacy decks you could walk by and snag the top card, even if it was face down, and still have a good chance of getting something good.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by gcowhsu on November 10, 2011]
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MTDetermine Member
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posted November 10, 2011 03:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by gcowhsu:
With the average value of Legacy decks you could walk by and snag the top card, even if it was face down, and still have a good chance of getting something good.
Sorry to hear about the loss. Come to think of it, gcowhsu is right. The chance of getting a random basic land from a Legacy deck is probably around 10%, 20% (goblin) max. An average Legacy deck with blue splashed will have close to 50% of its cards in fetches, duals, FOW, goyfs + a few nice artifacts.......
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Irate Member
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posted November 10, 2011 04:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by PortlisX: No, it's really not.Insurance companies don't run successfully by giving out free money without damned good proof of loss, and he doesn't even know how the damage occurred. He would have to have documented proof of owning these ahead of time (we're talking pictures and videos as well as documented lists), documented value prior to what happened, he'd have to know EXACTLY HOW the damage was caused, be able to demonstrate an actual tangible loss of value, and of course have had a policy specifically to cover these in the first place. Unless he has taken the initial steps of documentation, which is extremely unlikely, he's hosed right out of the gate. Beyond that, he'd be basically lying to his insurance company with any explanation other than "I don't know how the damage occurred". And if he doesn't even know how the damage happened, how are they going to know if it's covered? They aren't. It sounds like these were damaged outside of the house as well, which also makes them exempt from most homeowner policies (even if specifically listed). He would likely need some sort of traveling insurance policy for a collection taken and damaged outside the home. Again, he could lie to the insurance company about it and claim they were damage in the home, but I wouldn't exactly recommend taking that course of action. But I guess stuff in Denmark could work differently than here.
i'm enjoying this argument :-) If he still has the damaged cards then that is proof of loss. You are overestimating the rigorousness of the Claims area of any Insurance company. Most claims with a reserve/estimate of loss less than $3000 get triaged into "rapid" assessment which means the claimant provides proof of loss, and a replacement cost (whether via quote or tax invoice for the replaced goods) and it's settled by a claims officer over the phone. I'd still make a claim especially if you have a $0 excess.
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