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Topic: Safest way to sell cards to a new member?
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PriestsofGix
Member
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posted September 13, 2010 11:28 PM
       
So a new member wants to buy a playset of revised duals off me. He's from China with 0 refs. What's the best way to protect myself?
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Mr.C
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 12:48 AM
 
Other than not selling to him? China raises all sorts of red flags for me, no pun intended.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Mr.C on September 14, 2010]
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thror
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 01:06 AM
Arrange a 3rd party, and have him send payment in prepaid form (postal money order or whatever). This way, you know they have the money, and you can't be fraudulently charge-backd. Doing it 3rd party gives him the security that you are holding to your end of the deal (assuming he trusts the 3rd party).
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iccarus
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 08:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr.C:
China raises all sorts of red flags for me.
*rimshot* Seriously though, 3rd party all the way. There's no legitimate reason to be against that on such a high dollar deal. __________________
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PriestsofGix
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 02:42 PM
Ok,Do any of the Mods here do third party?
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thror
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 02:44 PM
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016986.html3rd party traders list. We really need a 'sticky' function....
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Harmless
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 04:03 PM
So if you send to a third party and the package gets lost when traveling from the third party to the other trader, or the other trader claims something is wrong, then it's on the third party to make the compensation, right? I just wanted to know if there's any point to using a third party other than verifying contents if you're planning on shipping registered anyway.
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nderdog
Moderator
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posted September 14, 2010 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Harmless:
So if you send to a third party and the package gets lost when traveling from the third party to the other trader, or the other trader claims something is wrong, then it's on the third party to make the compensation, right? I just wanted to know if there's any point to using a third party other than verifying contents if you're planning on shipping registered anyway.
That depends on the arrangements with the 3rd Party. I will not take any responsibility for cards lost or damaged from me to the people that I send to, as I'm providing a service and usually don't get any compensation other than shipping costs, and recommend additional services from the post office if people are concerned with loss. A 3rd Party's purpose isn't to protect you from the post office, it's to protect you from someone not sending their cards or sending you the wrong cards/condition/version/etc. __________________
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caquaa
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by Harmless:
So if you send to a third party and the package gets lost when traveling from the third party to the other trader, or the other trader claims something is wrong, then it's on the third party to make the compensation, right? I just wanted to know if there's any point to using a third party other than verifying contents if you're planning on shipping registered anyway.
The typical set up is you agree to suck up the loss or you pay for tracking/insurance. The third party is doing a favor for you, you're not going to stick them with more responsibilities.
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Harmless
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 04:54 PM
Sorry if it wasn't clear from my post, but the implication was that the trader would be requesting that the third party send via registered mail, which comes with tracking and insurance.@nder: Given this context, and the now obvious fact that the third party is being used to protect oneself from the other trader rather than the post office, would you provide compensation if the other trader decided to file a Paypal dispute for any reason?
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nderdog
Moderator
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posted September 14, 2010 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Harmless:
@nder: Given this context, and the now obvious fact that the third party is being used to protect oneself from the other trader rather than the post office, would you provide compensation if the other trader decided to file a Paypal dispute for any reason?
If I was the 3rd Party? No, I wouldn't. I guarantee if someone I was 3rd Partying for tried to file a claim on my PayPal account, they'd be on the BTA so fast their head would spin. Edit: I am assuming, of course, that we're talking about a case where I didn't do something wrong, but rather lost mail or some other issue that is beyond my control. __________________
There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
[Edited 1 times, lastly by nderdog on September 14, 2010]
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Harmless
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by nderdog:
If I was the 3rd Party? No, I wouldn't. I guarantee if someone I was 3rd Partying for tried to file a claim on my PayPal account, they'd be on the BTA so fast their head would spin.Edit: I am assuming, of course, that we're talking about a case where I didn't do something wrong, but rather lost mail or some other issue that is beyond my control.
Yes, of course. For simplicity's sake in this hypothetical, I am assuming that the third party is trusted implicitly by the sender. I imagine that if you did do something wrong and knew it, you would make amends. But the point here is that it is assumed that the buyer is trying to rip someone off. They can claim the package never arrived, which, in my limited experience using registered mail with the USPS, is possible given that tracking sometimes isn't shown for anything past the point where the package leaves the US. The ripper can also claim that the package was empty, or stuffed with newspaper, etc. Which, as I mentioned previously, seems like reason enough to use a third party as content verification. However, the ripper only needs to convince Paypal in order to get their money back; it doesn't matter what the other two parties think.
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rats60
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by PriestsofGix:
So a new member wants to buy a playset of revised duals off me. He's from China with 0 refs. What's the best way to protect myself?
I would be sure to send the cards insured with the buyer paying for it. If you were in the US, you could send insured global express mail for 45.95 through USPS. If your postal service doesn't have that type of service, I would try FedEx or you could find a 3rd party in the US to send for you.
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Mr.C
Member
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posted September 14, 2010 08:50 PM
I just wouldn't sell.Or, maybe do a wire transfer. That would be good.
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