And if the 1/2 thing is not the Undertaker, then I don't deserve to be a wrestling fan.

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vince has always for the most part was heel gm on raw, so you have john laurinitus who is a heel

ITs not Vince

Undertaker usually has dark, gothic promos when he is involved. Not to mention he's been hurting and worn down

It not undertaker

The classroom image is intriguing. Not to mention with MIz going to smackdown, raw is short of a heel character.

It could be Jericho, but lets not rule out B. Clay. I've seen promos for wrestler taking time off and coming back

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Ok i'm gonna analyze the last promo video

vince has always for the most part was heel gm on raw, so you have john laurinitus who is a heel

ITs not Vince

Undertaker usually has dark, gothic promos when he is involved. Not to mention he's been hurting and worn down

It not undertaker

The classroom image is intriguing. Not to mention with MIz going to smackdown, raw is short of a heel character.

It could be Jericho, but lets not rule out B. Clay. I've seen promos for wrestler taking time off and coming back

undertaker most prominent with this theory

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Really? A promo video for Brodus Clay? If it is him, they don't need to give him a promo video to bring him on.
Seems like overkill.

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Originally posted by LA3:
Ok i'm gonna analyze the last promo video

vince has always for the most part was heel gm on raw, so you have john laurinitus who is a heel

ITs not Vince

Undertaker usually has dark, gothic promos when he is involved. Not to mention he's been hurting and worn down

It not undertaker

The classroom image is intriguing. Not to mention with MIz going to smackdown, raw is short of a heel character.

It could be Jericho, but lets not rule out B. Clay. I've seen promos for wrestler taking time off and coming back

undertaker most prominent with this theory

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It's not Brodus. They've mentioned him the past several Raws. Why mention him AND have cryptic videos about someone's return?

It could be Vince. The videos have motioned someone returning to tale back what is theirs. Could be Vince returning to take back all his power.

I assume alex riley is no longer with wwe, otherwise miz would've probably stayed on raw.

The talent right now on wwe is not that great with people hurt.

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I assume alex riley is no longer with wwe, otherwise miz would've probably stayed on raw.

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Wellness suspension.

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So, Brock retires....what's the chance he returns to WWE?

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I could see him returning part time for a short run, but not full time for any length of a run. It will all depend on his health though.

Too bad they won't bring back the Dudley Boyz

Read on (Bleacher report?) maybe, a couple days ago, that Jericho was going to be in Nashville on the day before Raw until the day after Raw.

Then this:

http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Photo_Possible_Spoiler_on_WWE_s_1_2_12 _Videos_Tonight_s_RAW.html

So yeah, maybe.

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Kinda lame he didn't address the fans.

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And I don't know if this is mentioned anywhere in these wrestling threads, but Brock Lesnar signed a "Legends contract"

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What do you think about Orton's injury? Just some time off, then come back at Royal Rumble (work)? Or is it legit?

Since Royal Rumble is in St. Louis, I expect him to win it. No doubt. But it this is serious, Vince may not want to risk it.

Ugh, having Ziggler win the match and the title was a TERRIBLE IDEA for the WWE. I think he's good, and his time will come, but they keep doing this switching thing with the title, which is not good for the title. They should have given CM Punk the title for a while.

JERICHO IS BACK!!!!!!! STOKED!!!!!!
Pretty upset he didn't say anything though.

Right now, a lot of the storylines in WWE are less than stellar. In my mind, the only ones of interest are CM Punk, Jericho, Kane/Cena. Cody is good, and I am enjoying his push. Sheamus seems stuck in limbo, which kind of sucks. Bryan is NOT a good champion. Who cares about the Miz and R-Truth. Orton and Barrett isn't bad, but sucks he got injured. I'm SO SICK of Show vs. Henry....
And even since the whole "pipebomb" thing with CM Punk leading up to MitB, even he is getting stale because he's not "speaking his mind" like he was before. I love Punk as a champion, but he's not getting a chance on the mic, which he is great at.

Hopefully Jericho can breathe some life back into the WWE.

Comparatively, TNA with Roode as heel is GENIUS. He is a great heel, but I'm afraid they're going to put Hardy back at top soon.
Samoa Joe is completely mismanaged.
I actually like Robbie E as TV champion, he cracks me up (as does Eric Young); they just don't push it enough.
The feud between Angle and Storm is good, however Pope and Devon is getting stale.
X division is damn fun to watch.
I wish they would make a push for Bully Ray as well - can get heat ANYTIME.
The break up of beer money has killed the Tag Team division almost to WWE status...hopefully Crimson and Matt Morgan can elevate it.
Still think Knockouts > Divas.

All in all, I still think both companies mismanage some of their talent, but WWE ppvs > TNA. Just wish they could reorganize both Tag Team divisions to make them relevant.

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If they end up actually making a heel out of Cena with all this enlightenment of the "Cena Sucks," that would be a big risk, especially with the Cena die hards. I don't see them doing it, since the WWE is no longer in the Attitude era, but Cena seems to be getting boo'd, and boo'd alot, which makes me think all but the little kids are getting sick of Cena.

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When Hogan got boo'd, Bischoff turned him heal and we all know how well that worked. Turning Cena heal will have to be done carefully and over time, but it can work. It's a risk, especially with the upcoming launch of the WWE Network, but if done right it can work.

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What do you think about Orton's injury? Just some time off, then come back at Royal Rumble (work)? Or is it legit?

Since Royal Rumble is in St. Louis, I expect him to win it. No doubt. But it this is serious, Vince may not want to risk it.

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It's legit. How long he'll be out is, as far as I know, still unknown. It could be a few weeks and he'll be back in time for WM for sure and possibly the Rumble, or he could be out for several months and miss both.

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Ugh, having Ziggler win the match and the title was a TERRIBLE IDEA for the WWE. I think he's good, and his time will come, but they keep doing this switching thing with the title, which is not good for the title. They should have given CM Punk the title for a while.

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Ziggler didn't win the title. He just walked off with it. Lawler said as much after the commercial break, and Johnny Ace set up Ziggler vs Punk for the title at the Rumble and he's the special guest referee.

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JERICHO IS BACK!!!!!!! STOKED!!!!!!
Pretty upset he didn't say anything though.

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I think they just ran out of time for him to give a promo, but anything would've been better than what happened. They lost the crowd real quick which isn't good.

If they ran out of time it would explain why Brodus wasn't there AGAIN. I'm tired of the teases. Bring him back or release him.

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Right now, a lot of the storylines in WWE are less than stellar. In my mind, the only ones of interest are CM Punk, Jericho, Kane/Cena. Cody is good, and I am enjoying his push. Sheamus seems stuck in limbo, which kind of sucks. Bryan is NOT a good champion. Who cares about the Miz and R-Truth. Orton and Barrett isn't bad, but sucks he got injured. I'm SO SICK of Show vs. Henry....
And even since the whole "pipebomb" thing with CM Punk leading up to MitB, even he is getting stale because he's not "speaking his mind" like he was before. I love Punk as a champion, but he's not getting a chance on the mic, which he is great at.

Hopefully Jericho can breathe some life back into the WWE.

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I agree and disagree with this part.
Disagree: The storylines, at least on Raw are pretty good.  Miz and R-Truth is just getting started, and so far it's pretty good.  It may turn out to be a stinker by the time the RR gets here, but I don't think it will.  It's a good midcard storyline that's entertaining.  Bryan is a good champ, but SD's lack of depth is hurting him.  When the only two guys with any kind of a push for the belt are Henry and Big Show, you're champ isn't going to look good.  With Orton out, and their past, I see Wade Barrett stepping in to challenge after the Rumble.

Agree: Everything else.  Shaemus shouldn't be stuck in midcard hell, but he is because of the push Henry and Show are getting.  Same can be said about Punk not getting on the mic every week.  Cena-Kane is the biggest angle right now, and there haven't been many oppertunities for Punk to do a lengthy promo.  Hopefully that changes as we approach the Rumble, and I think it will with Vickie, Zigglar, Punk, and Johnny Ace all involved in one match.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
I agree and disagree with this part.
Disagree: The storylines, at least on Raw are pretty good.  Miz and R-Truth is just getting started, and so far it's pretty good.  It may turn out to be a stinker by the time the RR gets here, but I don't think it will.  It's a good midcard storyline that's entertaining.  Bryan is a good champ, but SD's lack of depth is hurting him.  When the only two guys with any kind of a push for the belt are Henry and Big Show, you're champ isn't going to look good.  With Orton out, and their past, I see Wade Barrett stepping in to challenge after the Rumble.

Agree: Everything else.  Shaemus shouldn't be stuck in midcard hell, but he is because of the push Henry and Show are getting.  Same can be said about Punk not getting on the mic every week.  Cena-Kane is the biggest angle right now, and there haven't been many oppertunities for Punk to do a lengthy promo.  Hopefully that changes as we approach the Rumble, and I think it will with Vickie, Zigglar, Punk, and Johnny Ace all involved in one match.

The only part of TNA that's better than WWE is the women's division. Everything else is WCW 2.0, and, like Hogan turning heal, we all remember how that turned out. TNA does more wrong than WWE, especially at their PPV's. I also think that putting the belt back on Jeff Hardy ever is a bad idea. IMO, you don't **** over the fans by getting high at a PPV and ruin the main event only to get the belt back.

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Meh...still don't think the Miz storyline is gonna be that good...(people don't know who to root for, which is kind of entertaining haha) if Rtruth didn't get suspended, they would have kept them as a Tag Team, and that would have elevated the tag team division. Bourne being out doesn't help either. These midcard hell guys should be the ones in the Tag Team division...hell, Sheamus + Hornswoggle would be a decent tag team for Christ sake. I agree about SD's depth, and with the whole Big Show, Barrett, etc., so I guess I can see where you are coming from. Bryan has the fan support, just doesn't do it for me.

Yes, TNA PPVs suck. They change the title on TV mutliple times, then for PPVs they don't. The problem is, EVERYONE and their MOTHER seems to be obsessed with Hardy (TNA fans, that is). I just miss the Dudley Boyz....HAHA

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Ugh, having Ziggler win the match and the title was a TERRIBLE IDEA for the WWE. I think he's good, and his time will come, but they keep doing this switching thing with the title, which is not good for the title. They should have given CM Punk the title for a while.

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Unless I missed something, Ziggler didn't actually win the title. He won the match by countout, so the title shouldn't change hands. I thought Ziggler was just posing with it to show off. But then he ran off with the belt, and Lawler and Cole didn't do a good job of explaining what was going on.

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
For those of you talking about Y2J not doing anything... that was the point. It's called a heel turn.

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And it was awesome. Plus he was totally trolling the crowd and it rocked. Chris Jericho- King troll.