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Topic: Does Deathrite Shaman get banned in Modern next year?
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JayC
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posted May 21, 2013 06:31 PM
      
Have been having a conversation with several players of all levels, some pro's, some judges, some LGS regulars. The consensus was a theory that he is in fact, too good in Modern specifically and will be banned because he is seen in such a significant number of decks and that he simply does 'too much, for too little'. He effectively is format altering, and dominating, in some respects.The theory is also that they will not ban him right now while he's new to standard because Wizards doesn't like to admit to their mistakes, look at Jitte - if you played Standard then you know what I'm getting at... a card that absolutely wrecked the format but they refused to do anything about it. Granted, Deathrite has almost no effect on standard, but the theory is that the same thought process and essential 'pride' is there which would delay any action. What do you guys think? GoldFish cites Deathrite being (in Modern): The #2 creature played in the format, online, at 22.69% of all decks. The #4 card played in modern overall, online, at 24.67% of all decks with an average of 3.7 in those decks played.
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skizzikmonger
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posted May 21, 2013 06:42 PM
I'd say no, but Wizards likes banning good cards in Modern
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Sovarius
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posted May 21, 2013 06:44 PM
 
By all levels you mean pros who top 8'ed a gpt and level 1 judges? Throwing out their skill level really doesn't convince me they can accurately call bans better than anyone else.Jitte was years ago. More recently was Jace and Mystic. They got banned actually in standard, so i don't think they care about banning a modern card that happens to also be in standard.
Even though no one likes to be wrong, Wizards is trying get modern to work, and if leaving in such an uberbroken formatdestroying card was sabotoging the chances of that, i think theyd just ban it. __________________
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JayC
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posted May 21, 2013 06:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:
By all levels you mean pros who top 8'ed a gpt and level 1 judges? Throwing out their skill level really doesn't convince me they can accurately call bans better than anyone else.Jitte was years ago. More recently was Jace and Mystic. They got banned actually in standard, so i don't think they care about banning a modern card that happens to also be in standard.
Even though no one likes to be wrong, Wizards is trying get modern to work, and if leaving in such an uberbroken formatdestroying card was sabotoging the chances of that, i think theyd just ban it.
I was communicating to you the demographic in the conversation so that it wasn't assumed it was just little old me but several people who have achieved decently in the game...you know, not just some dip****s behind a keyboard who have achieved nothing but sleeving their deck. There are multiple level 1 and 2 judges at my LGS and a level 3 as well whom was not present. Players who I referred to as Pro, are current pro's participating in a very regular and competitive way across the country, or ex-pros, winning 1 , or multiple big events in the last 5 years. Let's not deviate from the point with the unnecessary initial portion of your response. It doesn't add to the conversation and I didn't intend anything negative by the mention beyond what I just explained to you.
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jb231
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posted May 21, 2013 07:00 PM
I really hope not because I bought a ton of him when he was like 7-8$, I don't know a lot about the format but it seems like he goes into all the "fair" decks and those decks aren't dominating the format by any means any more. If they banned him it would cripple rock decks and make playing UWR or combo a lot better which doesn't seem like the best thing. He also gives midrange decks a lot of reach and some additional game vs decks doing unfair things.
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WeedIan
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posted May 22, 2013 05:56 AM
I hope they do ban him so the list gets longer than Legacy's banned list.__________________
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Dimh
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posted May 22, 2013 08:16 AM
Ooze can keep him in check as well, I doubt it gets banned.
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wayne
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posted May 22, 2013 10:08 AM
GP Portland:Top 8 decklists: 9 Deathrite Shamans
9-16th: 11 Deathrite Shamans
Probably not.
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Mr.C
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posted May 22, 2013 12:01 PM
lol why would they ban him? He's not Mental Misstep.
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JoshSherman
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posted May 22, 2013 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Mr.C:
lol why would they ban him? He's not Mental Misstep.
Clearly they need to unban Mental Misstep to deal with this guy. __________________
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Zeckk
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posted May 22, 2013 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by JayC:
GoldFish cites Deathrite being (in Modern): The #2 creature played in the format, online, at 22.69% of all decks. The #4 card played in modern overall, online, at 24.67% of all decks with an average of 3.7 in those decks played.
Maybe it's just me mis-reading your post, but how can deathrite be in 22.69% AND 24.67% of all modern decks? More to the argument of banning him - What are the percentages of goyf and bob? What's the #1 creature? Beyond being a commonly-seen card, does he suppress other creatures from being in the format? Does he suppress archetypes? Is he ruining format diversity? Those are all legitimate questions. My personal opinion is that Deathrite Shaman is actually quite good for the format. He gives aggro and mid-range decks efficient utility and (more importantly) maindeck interactivity with a lot of combo decks in the format, without being on the level of "leyline of the void vs. dredge" archetype suppression. There are a ton of deck archetypes that couldn't care less about seeing a deathrite shaman on the field, and I think you would actually see a domino effect of ban-calls for cards that deathrite keeps in check currently (snapcaster and gifts being some of the more high-profile examples).
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