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Topic: Standard Deck Predictions with Gatecrash.
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2austin5 Member
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posted January 28, 2013 05:54 PM
So with gatecrash let loose now, what decks will become prevalent and which cards will impact the format the most. Will domri rade and gideon make any solid appearances? Will these decks keep a healthy diverse format? Let the discussion roll because I want to get some ideas on decks I may want to make
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WeedIan Member
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posted January 28, 2013 08:16 PM
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Zeckk Member
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posted January 28, 2013 08:20 PM
Biggest impact - Shocks, Boros Charm, Frontline Medic, Aurelia's Fury, Legion Loyalist.Fringe Impact - Dimir Charm, Orzhov Charm, Simic Charm, Gideon, Firemane Avenger. That's it. There are some sleepers, like Duskmantle Seer and Master Biomancer, but those are post-rotation goodies.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted January 28, 2013 08:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Biggest impact - Shocks, Boros Charm, Frontline Medic, Aurelia's Fury, Legion Loyalist.Fringe Impact - Dimir Charm, Orzhov Charm, Simic Charm, Gideon, Firemane Avenger. That's it. There are some sleepers, like Duskmantle Seer and Master Biomancer, but those are post-rotation goodies.
Gideon's trash, and Duskmantle Seer is barely above trash. Biomancer is good (as is Prime Speaker Zegana) and it'll see play now, not after rotation.
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Zeckk Member
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posted January 28, 2013 11:59 PM
Biomancer is a 2/4 for 4 that does nothing when it hits play. Aggro doesn't care about it, control doesn't care about it. Midrange cares about it only if there's a GoST already in play or they can't answer the thragtusks or resto angels that come after it. It's a sleeper, period.At least Duskmantle Seer is a decent evasive body that gives you usable CA before your opponent. Still a sleeper, but it looks good in the current block card pool.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted January 29, 2013 01:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Biomancer is a 2/4 for 4 that does nothing when it hits play. Aggro doesn't care about it, control doesn't care about it. Midrange cares about it only if there's a GoST already in play or they can't answer the thragtusks or resto angels that come after it. It's a sleeper, period.
Not to mention that Biomancer's awful the turn before you play a Huntmaster. Two 4/4's for 2RG? That's awful! quote: At least Duskmantle Seer is a decent evasive body that gives you usable CA before your opponent. Still a sleeper, but it looks good in the current block card pool.
Seer's a hunk of crap in anything that isn't aggro, and it's questionable there. Biomancer can get out of hand quickly unless you deal with it, especially if you have more than one in play.
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nylarotep Member
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posted January 29, 2013 08:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Biggest impact - Shocks, Boros Charm, Frontline Medic, Aurelia's Fury, Legion Loyalist, Boros Reckoner, Skullcrack, Obzedat, Domri.Fringe Impact - Dimir Charm, Orzhov Charm, Simic Charm, Gideon, Firemane Avenger, Spark Trooper, Blind Obedience. That's it. There are some sleepers, like Duskmantle Seer and Master Biomancer, but those are post-rotation goodies.
Fixed that for you
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Demilio Member
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posted January 29, 2013 08:56 AM
Skullcrack will definitely have an impact.
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2austin5 Member
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posted January 29, 2013 09:59 AM
So why do people believe that the prime speaker will be good? I get that obviously it can be a great CA generator but what is the chance that it comes out with a lot of counters on it?
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daner Member
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posted January 29, 2013 10:58 AM
Skull Crack, Boros Reckoner and Obzedat will have and impact almost instantly. I would say the shocks would too but that's like saying the sun rises in the East.quote: Originally posted by 2austin5: So why do people believe that the prime speaker will be good? I get that obviously it can be a great CA generator but what is the chance that it comes out with a lot of counters on it?
I'd say there is a pretty good chance it comes down with counters on it bc Bant is a real deck. Thragtusk followed by Prime Speaker = 6/6 draw 5. Even if they deal with the Tragtusk befor eor in response you still get a 4/4 draw 3 for 6.....which is pretty good. It's like a Sphinx's Revelation but instead of drawing and gaining you draw and get a sizable body. Will it see play? I think so, dunno...it seems like it's really good on paper.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on January 29, 2013]
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Link139232 Member
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posted January 29, 2013 11:16 AM
I think Duskmantle is really good. Grixis Aggro could be a thing now.Aside from that, has anyone seen the Hermit Druid-esque interaction with some of the commons in gatecrash? Turn 1 kills in legacy are going to be a thing now too.
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Zeckk Member
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posted January 29, 2013 11:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by nylarotep: Fixed that for you
Appreciated . Though I disagree with Reckoner. Standard is absolutely flooded with better 3 drops right now.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted January 29, 2013 12:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Appreciated . Though I disagree with Reckoner. Standard is absolutely flooded with better 3 drops right now.
Reckoner is already being put in multiple decks, RDW for example, most Naya builds to, just does SOO much, hell even R/B aggro will probably play it to. It's one of those "Until you play it" type of cards... __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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Zeckk Member
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posted January 29, 2013 12:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: Reckoner is already being put in multiple decks, RDW for example, most Naya builds to, just does SOO much, hell even R/B aggro will probably play it to.It's one of those "Until you play it" type of cards...
Anyone that's puts it into naya is an idiot. I'll take the ability to run Kessig Wolf Run or Slayers Stronghold over Reckoner any day of the week. RDW- sure, I guess. RB aggro is simply a better version of that deck, and RB aggro is pretty much optimized at this point, with skullcrack for sideboard goodness. Reckoner is not a $6 card, at least not until after rotation.
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Lord Crovax Member
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posted January 29, 2013 12:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Anyone that's puts it into naya is an idiot. I'll take the ability to run Kessig Wolf Run or Slayers Stronghold over Reckoner any day of the week.RDW- sure, I guess. RB aggro is simply a better version of that deck, and RB aggro is pretty much optimized at this point, with skullcrack for sideboard goodness. Reckoner is not a $6 card, at least not until after rotation.
He is just soo good versus aggro early game (Which is what he is being a 3 drop) Kills or trades with Thrag, almost never want to block him, 2-1's all the time with fight mechanic (PW and Pit Fight are both have potential) All testing I've seen with him suggests he is the real deal, and extremely powerful...least so long as control type decks stay gone. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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nylarotep Member
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posted January 30, 2013 09:10 AM
Pretty sure RDW has a favorable matchup against R/B aggro. Also, Reckoner is also solid against Bonfire and Aurelia's Fury. Pretty much you can't trade profitably with him.
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walkerdog Member
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posted January 30, 2013 09:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Anyone that's puts it into naya is an idiot. I'll take the ability to run Kessig Wolf Run or Slayers Stronghold over Reckoner any day of the week.RDW- sure, I guess. RB aggro is simply a better version of that deck, and RB aggro is pretty much optimized at this point, with skullcrack for sideboard goodness. Reckoner is not a $6 card, at least not until after rotation.
It is the best red 3-drop right now. You're just incorrect on this one.
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