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When I do then Wants are usually 0.5-1.5x less then Haves, and almost always based on what I have/need at any given time...

and as much as people say they hate them, they won't hesitate to abuse typing errors to get themselves a good deal...or at least try to.

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Originally posted by Poecifer:
I mean don't get me wrong, it establishes a direct value based on the person's opinion but most of the time the person wants three dimes for their nickel. I recently saw a guy pricing the Damnation full art that he had at 60 points whereas he was willing to offer 23 points for one in trades. Based on some member's point systems, a foil playset of dissension blood crypts doesn't quite add up to a Scroll Rack. I mean I understand trying to get a premium but some of these people have gone beyond obscene.

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Originally posted by southparker2002:
They are good though for unloading tons of crap rares for better stuff. I've done it a few times to lighten the lower rares in my binder. To each his own I guess.

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Yep, I love it when people are willing to take all my crap I don't want for one card I do want. I love points based systems for this reason alone.

Some people have everything and need nothing, so they make a points based list to increase the value of their collection with every trade. They provide away to quickly and easily move cards you don't want for ones you do, even if you are getting 'ripped off'.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Yep, I love it when people are willing to take all my crap I don't want for one card I do want. I love points based systems for this reason alone.

Some people have everything and need nothing, so they make a points based list to increase the value of their collection with every trade. They provide away to quickly and easily move cards you don't want for ones you do, even if you are getting 'ripped off'.

Honestly, it bugs me more people who try and work out a normal trade to the nearest dollar than people who try qand gouge you on a points based system.

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I agree with this.....

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Yep, I love it when people are willing to take all my crap I don't want for one card I do want. I love points based systems for this reason alone.

Some people have everything and need nothing, so they make a points based list to increase the value of their collection with every trade. They provide away to quickly and easily move cards you don't want for ones you do, even if you are getting 'ripped off'.

Honestly, it bugs me more people who try and work out a normal trade to the nearest dollar than people who try qand gouge you on a points based system.

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Originally posted by southparker2002:
They are good though for unloading tons of crap rares for better stuff. I've done it a few times to lighten the lower rares in my binder. To each his own I guess.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Yep, I love it when people are willing to take all my crap I don't want for one card I do want. I love points based systems for this reason alone.

Some people have everything and need nothing, so they make a points based list to increase the value of their collection with every trade. They provide away to quickly and easily move cards you don't want for ones you do, even if you are getting 'ripped off'.

Honestly, it bugs me more people who try and work out a normal trade to the nearest dollar than people who try qand gouge you on a points based system.

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Originally posted by AGO:
This is so true in exception that most of the people who do the lists still won't trade little cards for bigger cards. There is one list and trader that always comes to mind when I think of crappy points lists.

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There are lots of people that don't need anything on most other people's trade list, so if that's the case, then there's no trade and unless you want to drop $60 for his gradle, you are not getting one.

So the only reason why someone would trade a cradle/Jace down for a stack of < $5 cards is so they can make a profit, but that takes time and an outlet to do so.

So if all your cards are sitting in a binder and don't need any of it but you do need a cradle, then don't get too mad because the other guy is asking a little more for the trade down.

I have no problem with people who value their so-called "wants" higher than their haves. What ****es me off are all the point-based lists that have the same card on both lists for wildly different values.

Telling me that I can get 5 points for giving you my day of judgement, but I have to give you 12 points to get one you already have from you is not going to make me interested in trading with you.

You're not a store, you aren't paying rent and staff and insurance for those cards. A "good trade" is one that is break even in terms of cash value, but a benefit to both parties for playability of their collection.

If you want to make a want list that has basically every janky card, but with low values because you don't need the cards, and are just willing to let people unload them at a profit to you because nobody else wants them, fine...a bulk-rare buying service has its place.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
If you don't actually want the cards, they just shouldn't be on your "want" list.

I have no problem with people who value their so-called "wants" higher than their haves. What ****es me off are all the point-based lists that have the same card on both lists for wildly different values.

Telling me that I can get 5 points for giving you my day of judgement, but I have to give you 12 points to get one you already have from you is not going to make me interested in trading with you.

You're not a store, you aren't paying rent and staff and insurance for those cards. A "good trade" is one that is break even in terms of cash value, but a benefit to both parties for playability of their collection.

If you want to make a want list that has basically every janky card, but with low values because you don't need the cards, and are just willing to let people unload them at a profit to you because nobody else wants them, fine...a bulk-rare buying service has its place.

But simultaneously having and wanting a high-value high-utility card for in some cases a 200-300% difference in how you value mine vs how you value yours? That's just ridiculous.

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The day of judgement in your example then isn't meant for you. That DoJ is meant for someone maybe with only bulk rares or semi-playalbe commons/uncommons. I know I need some decent common/uncommons but are basically bulk if you buy a box or draft semi-monthly and if you want to unload those to me for a semi-playable rares, I am okay with that, but you better not quote me Starcity prices for your artful dodge when you are looking at my restoration angel.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
If you don't actually want the cards, they just shouldn't be on your "want" list.

I have no problem with people who value their so-called "wants" higher than their haves. What ****es me off are all the point-based lists that have the same card on both lists for wildly different values.

Telling me that I can get 5 points for giving you my day of judgement, but I have to give you 12 points to get one you already have from you is not going to make me interested in trading with you.

You're not a store, you aren't paying rent and staff and insurance for those cards. A "good trade" is one that is break even in terms of cash value, but a benefit to both parties for playability of their collection.

If you want to make a want list that has basically every janky card, but with low values because you don't need the cards, and are just willing to let people unload them at a profit to you because nobody else wants them, fine...a bulk-rare buying service has its place.

But simultaneously having and wanting a high-value high-utility card for in some cases a 200-300% difference in how you value mine vs how you value yours? That's just ridiculous.

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Also who are you to say they are not a store? Maybe they are using MOTL to supplement their income? Seems a fine thing to do, if I had a store, I'd use ever resource available to me in order to keep my stock high and/or move/acquire things that are either harder to get or move slower locally.

Also who are you to say that "If you don't actually want the cards, they just shouldn't be on your "want" list"??? I may not want it, but that doesn't mean I may not Need it, some times trade fodder is just as useful as a card I intend on using in a deck.

for Instance I could wait for someone who has what I want and I have they want, or I could trade of things that move quickly and increase my chances of having something someone wants who has what I want. A perfect example of a situation where trading for something I don't want, still gets me what I do want.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
So trade for what you don't want, in hopes of moving stuff around enough to get what you do want. Just don't expect to be allowed to make that trade at 200% profit.

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Yea, I left out %'s on purpose, as obviously people who have several hundred percent differences are NOT stores, etc....

1.5-2x Value isn't so far out there though...

Say Day of Judgement is 5 on Wants, but 7.5-10 on Haves, that isn't so extreme....

People make deals like that all the time on sites like SCG, ABU, TCG, etc ....

Fine to dislike it, but trying to discredit it, that's a totally different deal.

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
I actually prefer point based lists when trading because it means when the points are equal on both sides, my offer is much less likely to be rejected. One of the big reasons I got turned off to trading in the first place is I'd make about 10 offers of even trades, and get *maybe* one deal on a good day.

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Yea I hate that, specially when I try and make it in their favor in a attempt to get a deal..and still gets ignored...

Feels like unless the trade is 20+ in their favor they have no desire to trade.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Yea I hate that, specially when I try and make it in their favor in a attempt to get a deal..and still gets ignored...

Feels like unless the trade is 20+ in their favor they have no desire to trade.

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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Values are not everything. Yes, I may want 10 different $3 card, but I'm sure not as hell trading my hot $20 card for all 10 of them UNLESS I actually need most of them for a deck/cube/whatever. A lot of times, my small wants are in case I may want to play them in the future, so I don't mind waiting 2-3 months to trade other small cards for them.

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I'm talking more big stuff....I've honestly had people in the past expect 20+ in their favor when I'm trading THEM duals, and other hot legacy staples when I'm getting the same or less in quality back....

If we are dealing with 10+ x 5.00$ or less cards, sure....but when the items are equal in quality .... things just get absurd...

Gets worse when people think a card should be less then it is, they still want it, they just refuse to pay for it thinking it will go down, even though the odds of that are next to none.