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MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 12:46 PM Here are some scans of my recently bought Power 9 cards and was wondering if anyone can shed some light on them being real or fake. Ancestral Recall Front: http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo68/hammer_din/8-11-2012101407PM.jpg Back of card next to a real Brainstorm: http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo68/hammer_din/8-11-2012102022PM.jpg Mox Sapphire Front: http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo68/hammer_din/8-11-2012101647PM.jpg I have performed many test and even the bend test and they passed.
Sharkey Member	posted August 12, 2012 01:00 PM Those look fake to me. Where'd you get them from?
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 01:03 PM I got them from some guy for 43 shipped he said they are fakes but I have my doubts since it passes the bend test, light test, water test,and it even has a blue line in the center. I took them to my LGS and they said that they thought it was fakes also because of the feel which was before I performed the bend test which it later passed.
stu55 Member	posted August 12, 2012 01:13 PM If they passed the light test I doubt they are rebacked CE. I would get a microscope and check out the ink pattern, that is usually the best way, or rip it in half
thror Member	posted August 12, 2012 01:31 PM quote: Originally posted by stu55: If they passed the light test I doubt they are rebacked CE. I would get a microscope and check out the ink pattern, that is usually the best way, or rip it in half Ive never seen white bordered CE.... __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
Basaka Member	posted August 12, 2012 01:33 PM The ink pattern looks more like crosses than circles, and the colouration seems pretty off. They look pretty fake to me...
hammr7 Member	posted August 12, 2012 04:19 PM As you check the light test, make sure you are comparing the suspect cards with Unlimited cards of the same color. Copies of the exact cards would be best, but at least have cards of the same color and compare the amount of light passing through on similar areas (such as text boxes). Unlimited cards, because of the typical color depth, will pass light differently than Revised or later sets. And the light test requires that the suspect both pass light and pass it at the same relative "brightness" as similar cards in the same set. I have come across great counterfeits of Unlimited cards, and have written about them on these pages. The best passed virtually every test, and passed light. They just passed the wrong amount of light.
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 04:27 PM Yeah I did it with a old brainstorm I had laying around so it might not pass the light test. There is also the black light test which I have not performed since I don't own a black light. I can allways still sell them as proxies at best or is that illegal ?
caquaa Member	posted August 12, 2012 04:42 PM Look like cards that were blanked and then reprinted. I'd assume they don't have the same gloss on the front like most cards in nice condition do or perhaps an excessive amount (I use a sealer when I print something).
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 04:52 PM I can take regular pics with my cam showing the shine if you like. I really think they are real but am to scared to send them in because I won't get them back if their fakes, then I wont be able to use them as proxies for casual play.
thror Member	posted August 12, 2012 05:27 PM quote: Originally posted by MTG TMS: I can take regular pics with my cam showing the shine if you like. I really think they are real but am to scared to send them in because I won't get them back if their fakes, then I wont be able to use them as proxies for casual play. As far as i am aware, you cant 'send them in', because WotC doesnt have a card authenticating service. You would have to get them checked by an independent 3rd party, and seeing as it is not their property, they cannot legally keep it. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 05:33 PM Oh that may work, and someone on another site said you can send them to WotC but they might be wrong idk.
Mr.C Member	posted August 12, 2012 05:49 PM Upload 600dpi scans and it will be easier to say for sure. But it looks like you paid $43 for some not very good fakes. Edit: Text looks really blurry, but it could be a bad scan. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Mr.C on August 12, 2012]
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 06:33 PM Why do you say not very good fakes ? In person they are great plus it's not a sure thing they are fakes. Also I can't upload 600dpi scans my scanner isn't that good I don't think.
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted August 12, 2012 06:35 PM If he TOLD YOU they were fakes, they're fake. They look a little off to me, but I'd have to see them to be certain. __________________ Looking for misprinted Commander decks. Got one? Talk to me.
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 06:41 PM Well he also said they wouldn't pass the bend test but they both did so that's why I even double checked to be sure.
Myy Member	posted August 12, 2012 06:44 PM sned them to slinga , he can tell you, and will return them.( as long as you supply him the shipping cost)
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted August 12, 2012 07:16 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: sned them to slinga , he can tell you, and will return them.( as long as you supply him the shipping cost) I'd prefer not to, since these are obviously fake and it would be a waste of his money and my time. __________________ Looking for misprinted Commander decks. Got one? Talk to me.
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 07:29 PM Well thanks for your input guys and don't worry about me trying to sell them or anything. I guess they are fake but I just wanted them for casual play anyway.
Mr.C Member	posted August 12, 2012 07:34 PM quote: Originally posted by MTG TMS: Well thanks for your input guys and don't worry about me trying to sell them or anything. I guess they are fake but I just wanted them for casual play anyway. Just do a 600 DPI scan. Any scanner can do it. The printing pattern will tell.
coolio Member	posted August 12, 2012 08:00 PM quote: Originally posted by MTG TMS: Well he also said they wouldn't pass the bend test but they both did so that's why I even double checked to be sure. i'm not sure you think you know what you're doing.. or know what you're looking for.. nor probably how to do a bend test.. or understand the stresses the card exhibits under that test.. © __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
dwiz Member	posted August 12, 2012 08:15 PM quote: Originally posted by stu55: If they passed the light test I doubt they are rebacked CE. lol
MTG TMS Member	posted August 12, 2012 08:41 PM To bend test you touch all corners of the card and if it goes back to it's original shape and has no creases it's real or a really good fake. Also I just did a 600 dpi scan and a 1200 dpi scan and I saw a circular printing pattern. Trying to upload the scans now. Can someone tell me a good place to upload scans with this much dpi ? [Edited 1 times, lastly by MTG TMS on August 12, 2012]
Myy Member	posted August 13, 2012 06:51 AM quote: Originally posted by MTG TMS: To bend test you touch all corners of the card and if it goes back to it's original shape and has no creases it's real or a really good fake. Also I just did a 600 dpi scan and a 1200 dpi scan and I saw a circular printing pattern. Trying to upload the scans now. Can someone tell me a good place to upload scans with this much dpi ? have you tried photobucket or flicker?
MTG TMS Member	posted August 13, 2012 10:15 AM I have done both but it wouldn't upload at the size you need to see the patterns of circles I can send anyone interested an email that would like to see.

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