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Topic: M13 Limited
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Link139232
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posted July 07, 2012 11:23 AM
        
Gonna play in the prerelease tonight. Any ideas on what the best color is for limited? I know green is very strong. Bombs aside, good commons and uncommons?
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dwiz
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posted July 07, 2012 11:41 AM
Pre-releases are sealed right? I wouldn't go into it with the notion that you're playing green. Make the best possible deck you can with the cards you open. Note: If you're playing at SCG, you can probably trade with other people before deckbuilding (tic)
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Link139232
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posted July 07, 2012 12:05 PM
That would be cheating..Anyhow, I know sealed is the best stuff you open, but I meant draft, specifically. Obviously if you open a bomb P1P1, take it, but eh.. The set seems weak as a whole.
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dwiz
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posted July 07, 2012 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Link139232:
That would be cheating..Anyhow, I know sealed is the best stuff you open, but I meant draft, specifically. Obviously if you open a bomb P1P1, take it, but eh.. The set seems weak as a whole.
It's a joke, you know "tongue in cheek" because everyone cheats at SCG events. Your prerelease is sealed right, so why worry about draft?
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oneofchaos
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posted July 07, 2012 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by dwiz:
Pre-releases are sealed right? I wouldn't go into it with the notion that you're playing green. Make the best possible deck you can with the cards you open. Note: If you're playing at SCG, you can probably trade with other people before deckbuilding (tic)
I'd think a prerelease has to got to be the hardest event to cheat at right?
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rats60
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posted July 07, 2012 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I'd think a prerelease has to got to be the hardest event to cheat at right?
Only at the first one. Also, with the base set, you have those half decks that were already released with M13 cards in them.
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helpmehelpyou
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posted July 07, 2012 04:27 PM
avoid playing that goblin boss guy
he seems really good.. but i seen him in action today and he wasnt that impressive.since you want him alive and making goblins you cant really attack or block with him.
and the 1/1 tokens are nice but they are very easy to fly/trample past in m13 limited. you basically have to be winning already for him to be good.. since he is not the type of bomb that can dig you out of a hole. if your opponent has more pressure and you drop boss hes not going to be relevent fast enough.
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coolio
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posted July 07, 2012 05:02 PM
I'd rather play six more months of avacyn__________________
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AGO
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posted July 07, 2012 08:15 PM
Play Sublime Archangel, roll face across deck and battlefield, Win...
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Zeckk
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posted July 07, 2012 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by coolio:
I'd rather play six more months of avacyn
You are insane. I'm done drafting a set that leaves everyone at the table struggling for playables, then scooping to a green uncommon card. M13 limited is rather fun. I'm glad we are back in a format that actually presents options within each color regarding removal, threats, mana curve, and archetype. Black and white both have multiple hard removal cards, red has one of the best commons in Chandra's Fury, green is chock full of creature synergies, and blue has it's traditional arsenal of fliers and tempo cards. Honestly, I think red is the strongest color in limited right now. Between cleaver riot, the removal, and the extremely under-rated uncommon bombs like Arms Dealer Flames of the Firebrand, you have so many cards that are simply live draws at all times.
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choco man
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posted July 07, 2012 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
You are insane. I'm done drafting a set that leaves everyone at the table struggling for playables, then scooping to a green uncommon card.M13 limited is rather fun. I'm glad we are back in a format that actually presents options within each color regarding removal, threats, mana curve, and archetype. Black and white both have multiple hard removal cards, red has one of the best commons in Chandra's Fury, green is chock full of creature synergies, and blue has it's traditional arsenal of fliers and tempo cards. Honestly, I think red is the strongest color in limited right now. Between cleaver riot, the removal, and the extremely under-rated uncommon bombs like Arms Dealer Flames of the Firebrand, you have so many cards that are simply live draws at all times.
The set isn't even released yet. Are things under-rated already?
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thror
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posted July 07, 2012 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
Honestly, I think red is the strongest color in limited right now. Between cleaver riot, the removal, and the extremely under-rated uncommon bombs like Arms Dealer Flames of the Firebrand, you have so many cards that are simply live draws at all times.
Who the hell underrates Arc Lightning in limited??? The same people that underrate lightning bolt, fireball, and mind control? __________________
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WeeJiggler
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posted July 08, 2012 12:44 AM
I don't honestly read the forums enough to be able to comment on your feelings towards Zeckk, but he's 100% right about AVR and M13. AVR if you were playing with anyone who knew AT ALL what they were doing, you couldn't count on anything of value to table, so you were lucky to get even 7-8 playables out of each pack. 24 playables at the very best is super loose. If you drafted a bomb AVR was super fun! But only for you, because Bonfire of the Damned was a guaranteed first place, and no one else had any fun, unless you're just awful. But, about M13...I've gotten first in two Sealed so far. First night was B/W/R (I know it sounds dumb, but it was insaaaane) with 2 Divine Verdict, 1 O-Ring, 1 Pacifism, 2 Searing Spear for removal and tons of just good creatures (Bloodseeker Bat does so much work, more than you'd think). Second night was B/G/w with 2 Murder, 2 Prey Upon, and a Pacifism for removal and then just big beefy creatures to do work. I guess my point is: Green seems strong for it's creatures, Black/White have great removal. Every Ring except the Red one is just infinite value, sometimes even if you're not the right color. M13 seems pretty balanced overall, and I don't think going in thinking "I SHOULD TRY FOR THIS COLOR!" Like green was for AVR is the correct way to approach it.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by WeeJiggler on July 08, 2012]
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Zeckk
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posted July 08, 2012 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
Who the hell underrates Arc Lightning in limited??? The same people that underrate lightning bolt, fireball, and mind control?
Mostly newer players. Obviously, pre-releases are the best time to take advantage of having good card evaluation skills, and while I'm aware of how good the arc lightning reprint is, some people aren't - they just see a 3 mana sorcery speed bolt. Personally, I under-rated the hell out of chandra's fury. I simply hadn't realized that every single color is full of 1-toughness dudes that see plenty of play, and even a low-curve aggro deck can get a ton of mileage out of the card. I found myself siding in both of my furies every every game 1 in the pre-release. I placed 2nd and 4th today in the events, despite going undefeated for the first event (tiebreakers). First deck was a zero-rare Boros deck filled with 2-drop grizzly bears and a lot of removal. Second deck was G/b/w stompy with the splash adding some exalted protection knights, hard removal, and 2 healer of the prides. Those healers are insane - they end up putting out like 10-16 over the course of a game if they go unanswered, and the 2/3 body is very relevant. I got to live the dream in 2 matches with roaring primadox + elvish visionary and then primadox + acidic slime. I plan on doing drafts tomorrow, and the high density of playables in every color is quite refreshing. @Flophaus - Sorry, just in my nature to... aggressively discuss things. Certainly seems like a better alternative than letting misinformation or ignorance go unchallenged. And besides, it's not like this is MTGS, where the sheer flood of posters prevents an intelligent debate on any given subject.
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Kyosukee
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posted July 08, 2012 06:00 AM
I'm more curious to what the whatever is, in "Zeckk or w/e"Zubat?! ZODIAC?!
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Absurd90
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posted July 08, 2012 07:13 AM
What would you guys have built from this pool?Black:
Xathrid Gorgon
Vile Rebirth
Duty-Bound Dead
Dark Favor x2
Ravenous Rats
Servant of Nefarox
Sign in Blood x2
Zombie Goliath
Crippling Blight Blue:
Sphinx of Uthuun
Encrust x2
Sleep
Essence Scatter
Merfolk of the Pearl Trident
Tricks of the Trade
Negate
Court Provocateur
Kraken Hatchling x2
Vedalken Entrancer
Downpour
Divination Red:
Fervor
Rewind
Goblin Battle Jester
Volcanic Strength
Kindled Fury
Turn to Slag
Wall of Fire
Fire Elemental
Crimson Muckwader
Chandra's Fury
Bladetusk Boar
Trumpet Blast
Cleaver Riot
Reckless Brute
Wild Guess
Dragon Hatchling
Mindclaw Shaman
Searing Spear Green:
Boundless Realms
Serpent's Gift
Naturalize x2
Bountiful Harvest
Fog
Spiked Baloth
Vastwood Gorger
Duskdale Wurm
Prey Upon x2
Yeva's Forcemage x2
Fungal Sprouting
Garruk's Packleader White:
Rhox Faithmender
War Falcon x2
Divine Favor
Erase
Warclamp Mastiff
Pillarfield Ox
Healer of the Pride
Captain's Call
Aven Squire
War Priest of Thune
Pacifism x2
Battleflight Eagle
Guardians of Akrasa
Show of Valor
Safe Passage
Serra Angel Artifact:
Ring of Kalonia
Phyrexian Hulk
Yayemdae Tome
Gem of Becoming
Ring of Xathrid
Chronomaton Land:
Downed Catacomb Cant be arsed to autolink all when it always goes on top of the page once I have linked 1 card... I went with G/W beats as I had 2 pacifiscm and 2 prey upon and same ok life gain synergy/token makers. It was still horrible and I lost match 1 to guy with multiple Murders and green deathtouch guys + vampire nighthawk. Match 2 I lost to guy with the new green overrun and captain of the watch and plenty of value guys. The pool had one 3 mana costing manafixer which activation also costs 3, so splashing 3rd color seemed awkward. I had very few ways to deal with flyers in the entire pool as well... All in all horrible experience once again.
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Zeckk
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posted July 08, 2012 04:05 PM
You had to go R/W. It has enough removal to let you keep pace with the other decks, and the synergy between white token-makers and cleaver riot lets you win games you had no business winning. Also, that's the only color combination I see that even comes close to having relevant board plays before turn 3.Granted, it sucks that you didn't get playable bombs in any solid color (I personally had to pass up Nefarox and Liliana in my pool for a no-rare R/W aggro deck), but removal in this format answers just about every problem card in this limited meta.
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Bagbokk
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posted July 08, 2012 05:08 PM
I would've went GW or RW, but your pool kinda sucked.
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daner
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posted July 08, 2012 05:27 PM
I would have went with 18 lands and splashed the Gorgon rare into any deck I came up with. That card is stupid, and wins matches by itself if you're not brain damaged.
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flophaus
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posted July 08, 2012 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
I would have went with 18 lands and splashed the Gorgon rare into any deck I came up with. That card is stupid, and wins matches by itself if you're not brain damaged.
I was surprised to see that it was worth so little.
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Solidarity
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posted July 08, 2012 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by daner:
I would have went with 18 lands and splashed the Gorgon rare into any deck I came up with. That card is stupid, and wins matches by itself if you're not brain damaged.
It's way too slow That and Staff of Nin... with all the super aggro exalted beats, board position will already be pretty much decided by the time you can drop it.
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Bagbokk
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posted July 08, 2012 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Solidarity:
It's way too slowThat and Staff of Nin... with all the super aggro exalted beats, board position will already be pretty much decided by the time you can drop it.
It depends entirely on what people pulled, though. I got my face smashed in by one super-aggro Exalted beats one match out of the 7 total that I played this weekend, and it was my only loss. And it was partly because he had a Knight of Infamy, and I was running GW. 6 casting cost is not hard to get to, and creatures coming out that late will still matter a lot of the time. If you have to rely on one or two cards because the rest of your pool sucked, you just need to stall long enough with other crap along the way. From his list, between Healer of the Pride, Captain's Call, Rhox Faithmender (especially with the two aforementioned cards), 2 Pacifisms, Divine Favor, Safe Passage, Fog, 2 Prey Upon, etc... he can probably live long enough for the Gorgon to become relevant. Healer of the Pride has stabilized me in a TON of games from early aggro. = = = = = Today's deck (3-0): Ajani, Caller of the Pride
Faith's Reward
3 Safe Passage
Aven Squire
Healer of the Pride
Griffin Protector
War Priest of Thune
Attended Knight
Pacifism
Silvercoat Lion
Pillarfield Ox
Prized Elephant
Serra Angel Sentinel Spider
2 Arbor Elf
Elvish Visionary
2 Centaur Courser
Flinthoof Boar
Deadly Recluse
Farseek Evolving Wilds
Plains & Forests Other pulls in pool: Nicol Bolas
Vampire Nocturnus
Void Stalker
Redirect I didn't pull anything in either black or red again, really. None of the burn spells listed above in this thread. No Murders or Vampire Nighthawks or enough of anything to run either of those two colors. I made a RUB deck that wasn't half-bad to have a little fun playing Nicol Bolas and Vampire Nocturnus, but it wouldn't have been terribly viable in a real match.
[Edited 5 times, lastly by Bagbokk on July 08, 2012]
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