Down to the questions: 1) What kind of setup does your LGS have? Entry fee? Prize pool? Player numbers? And 2) If anyone here has any ties with Wizards, what kind of support does Wizards send out to the LGS for this?

I asked question 1 in Tom Ma's stream and most people were saying for first in tournaments of similar costs/numbers people were getting a half of a box to an entire box, which is extremely irritating to me. Thanks in advance for your input.

Start with the base sealed-- 2 packs per player for prize at $25 entry. For a $30 sealed, I would do 3.5 packs per player for the prize pool. Each player that plays every round gets one pack for each match win. Then the rest of the prize pool is split up among top X, where X is the number of rounds.

I am aware that this system can penalize you for the number of players in the event, especially around the line for another round, but I think it's the best way to go about a prerelease.

25 to 35 players would have netted you somewhere between 5 and twelve packs plus your match win packs.

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There was 23 and 21 people at the tournaments, and less than that many packs were given out.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
WOTC doesn't give much to the stores and they want them to spreed it out. Some stores add prizes to the pool some don't.

Mine gives out a good payout if you go undefeated (like half a box but you only get half of it now the rest you get when the set comes out) x-1 and lower it like 3 packs then 2 then 1

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you understand that the product sent out to stores account for this.. that the min required payout is 2 packs in the pool per player right? this is actually required for PRs

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Originally posted by WeeJiggler:
All of the people saying sometimes stores distribute the packs evenly: Only the top 1/3 or MAYBE 1/2 even get packs. First place 4, second and third 3, 4th 5th and 6th get 2, and then a couple 1's.

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There was 23 and 21 people at the tournaments, and less than that many packs were given out.

EDIT: And thanks junichi, I'll talk to the owners myself, and if they don't do anything, I will.

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Yes, that is very against WotC rules. Even the Prerelease website notes that prize support must be 2 packs per person entering the tournament. There's no specifics on how those packs should be awarded, but they must all be given out, if not more at the store's discretion.

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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
No its not wrong for them to charge that much. Some stores charge $25, some $30, some $30 then $25 on the next flight you enter. Stores have to make money too.

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I disagree. There's a huge difference between stores making money and flat-out ripping people off. If a store charges $30 for a draft, unless they're in a country where the cost of packs is significantly more expensive than the US, unless they're adding a ton of extra prize support, they are taking advantage of their customers.
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We split a box of m13. 18 packs each. this place got 8 packs. 4th through 6th got 6 packs, and everyone else got 1 pack per match win.

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Originally posted by WeeJiggler:
Alright. My LGS was way under the mandated amount. So regardless of anything else they jacked over 40 packs

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Long run, find a new store, as odds are if you speak up at all, you'r being doing so anyways as you will get banned, least that what happened when my LGS ran a 30 person Pre-release and gave out 21 packs total.

1) He got 20 packs, or at most 40% of the what was allowed to be given out for the 2 packs per person. That leaves only 60% for the rest of the ppl in both events

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Originally posted by stu55:
The more I read this, the more I think the OP just doesnt know what is going on..

1) He got 20 packs, or at most 40% of the what was allowed to be given out for the 2 packs per person. That leaves only 60% for the rest of the ppl in both events

2) He is complaining about stores having to make money to pay their employees or run the store in general

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Stu. If you go back and read the OP he states he was awarded 20 packs between his prize pool and sealed pools over both nights 6 packs per pool and 4 packs per first place finish for a total of 20 packs.

Basically, he played in two 20 man 4-3-2-2's.....
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As far as complaining about a store making money? I'm a business management student graduating in 4 months, and I am planning on opening my own store when I'm done. I've done my research, I know how LGS make money. 21 people, 2.10c per pack is what they pay, 1.90 is what they make. 6 packs per person is 11.40$ they are making per person, so about 250$ off sales -just for the 6 packs needed to even play.- per day. Not to mention if they did 1.5 more packs per person for prize support, it would be another 60$ in product sales, plus the random boosters and pop/chips. They make almost $500 a day on this, and they have no employees. yes, they need to make a living, but $1000 on a weekend -after variable costs- but before fixed costs is pretty dang good.