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Topic: Foil alters on ebay... are these real / legal?
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MagicPatty
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posted February 15, 2012 01:24 PM
        
A post for reference:http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Thoughtseize-ALTERED-ART-FOIL-/150759142594?_trksid=p4340.m444&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%252BCRX%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DUCC%252BSI%252BUA%252BLM%252BLA %26otn%3D15%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6354092660274690090 They keep stating that these are done on real cards, and that alters are legal, but they don't state whether their cards are the actual card, as in tournament legal. Is this actually allowed?
Are these things legal?
How is it done?
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MAB_Rapper
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posted February 15, 2012 01:27 PM
I believe that as long as the card name, mana cost, and text are shown, it's legal.__________________
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airwalk
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posted February 15, 2012 01:29 PM
It's up to the judge to decide.
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted February 15, 2012 01:34 PM
It depends if it's an altered Thoughtseize or if it's just printed on some random card. Kind of hard to tell from the description unless I'm missing something.__________________
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MagicPatty
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posted February 15, 2012 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
It depends if it's an altered Thoughtseize or if it's just printed on some random card. Kind of hard to tell from the description unless I'm missing something.
Exactly! - no where does it say that this Thoughtseize is a Thougtseize and not a Swamp...
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Numotflame96
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posted February 15, 2012 04:10 PM
The whole thing seems odd to me, however if you watch the video, it seems like who ever is selling these is going through a lot of effort to make sure that the cards are playable, and it soundsas though he is also making sure to go through the proper process to avoid copyright infringement. I'm still not entirely sure if having stuff printed on cards falls under the artistic modifications allowed on a card. The only real way to know would be to ask on the mother-site. I have a feeling people would call these out a lot in tournaments claiming they are fakes just because there are so many fakes floating around that look generally similar.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Numotflame96 on February 15, 2012]
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AGO
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posted February 15, 2012 06:24 PM
If you have to ask if it's real then it most likley is not real.
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dwiz
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posted February 15, 2012 07:16 PM
No returns and some poor feedback. I wouldn't, but Megan Fox, I would.
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Zakman86
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posted February 15, 2012 07:47 PM
I wouldn't allow them.
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daner
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posted February 15, 2012 10:10 PM
The Dual Lands flowing picture looks amazing. Too bad the price is outrageous for cards you probably wouldn't be able to use in a sanctioned event.
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ScottyStyles
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posted February 15, 2012 10:29 PM
I wouldn't allow it, either. The rules state that the original art must be visible and easily recognized.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by ScottyStyles on February 15, 2012]
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Pringlesman
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posted February 15, 2012 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by ScottyStyles:
I wouldn't allow it, either. The rules state that the original art must be visible and easily recognized.
No it doesn't. quote:
=comprehensive rules
Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the
card unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also
may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.
It says makes the card unrecognizeable. Not the card's art. There are other ways of a card being recognizable besides the art.
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caquaa
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posted February 15, 2012 11:13 PM
I wouldn't allow them as a judge at anything beyond a FNM. If they are thicker or weight more, even ever so slightly, you can tell the difference if you've played this game long enough. For FNM or such, as long as I felt the card was a real card and a foil layer applied, I wouldn't have a problem with it. GP, PTQ, etc, then we'd have an issue.
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Zakman86
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posted February 16, 2012 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by caquaa:
I wouldn't allow them as a judge at anything beyond a FNM. If they are thicker or weight more, even ever so slightly, you can tell the difference if you've played this game long enough. For FNM or such, as long as I felt the card was a real card and a foil layer applied, I wouldn't have a problem with it. GP, PTQ, etc, then we'd have an issue.
The problem isn't that they're altered, the problem is that you can't tell if it's a real card.
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Meddling Pimp
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posted February 16, 2012 11:45 AM
I wouldn't allow them in any of my events, even if they are real Thoughtseizes.
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MagicPatty
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posted February 16, 2012 12:57 PM
So I'm sure several of us know of acetoning a foil cards face off, then printing on a transparency, then spray glue to create a proxy foil. These are much heavier, thicker, and are quite easy to detect. They still look cool, but aren't of this quality.How are they doing this?
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Jazaray
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posted February 16, 2012 09:02 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Pringlesman:
[B] =comprehensive rules
Artistic modifications are acceptable in sanctioned tournaments, provided that the modifications do not make the
card unrecognizable, contain substantial strategic advice, or contain offensive images. Artistic modifications also
may not obstruct or change the mana cost or name of the card.
However, it DOES state that the card may not obstruct the mana cost or name of the card, which most of their cards do, so no, they are not tournament legal. Thanks,
Jazaray
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Demilio
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posted February 17, 2012 08:01 AM
These are the ugliest things I've ever seen. I can't believe how much people are spending on these. The $100+ that people have spent on the dual lands from this guy is just insane.
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MagicPatty
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posted February 17, 2012 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Demilio:
These are the ugliest things I've ever seen. I can't believe how much people are spending on these. The $100+ that people have spent on the dual lands from this guy is just insane.
hence... how are they made?
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